Malcolm Nance Talks Jan 6 Paramilitary
Malcolm Nance expounds on the Jan 6 attack on democracy. He was a guest on Joy Reid’s show, the Reidout, on MSNBC. In this discussion he talks about the paramilitary terrorists that used the crowd of trespassers as cover and camouflage, to gain access to the Capitol. This is Joy Reid setting the background and comments of Malcolm.
This time he reports a major escalation in the January 6 investigation.
For the first time, the Department of Justice has filed seditious conspiracy charges related to the insurrection, charging 11 people, including the leader of the far-right militia, the Oath Keepers, Stewart Rhodes.
Seditious conspiracy is defined as two or more persons conspired to overthrow put down or destroy by force the government. Or by force to prevent hinder or delay the execution of any law or by force. To seize, take or possess any government property. Now in plain English, this is the first time our government has called some of the events that happened on January 6, a conspiracy to use force to prevent the presidential transition.
It’s important to understand who we’re dealing with here. Now, unlike the randomly thuggish Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers are an organization largely of current and former military, law enforcement and first responders. They’re trained by our own tax dollars to know how to use those weapons. In their statement announcing the indictment the DOJ alleges that Rhodes and his co-defendants conspired by organizing into teams that were prepared and willing to use force. To transport firearms and ammunition into Washington DC. Recruiting members, organizing trainings to teach and learn paramilitary combat tactics, and bringing in contributing paramilitary gear.
They’re also accused of breaching and attempting to take control of the Capitol grounds and building. Using force against law enforcement officers. Plotting to and continuing to plot after January 6, to oppose by force the lawful transfer of power. The indictment also provides a timeline of the encrypted group chat messages that Rhodes was encouraging his co conspirators. Two days after the election, November 5, Rhodes urged his followers to refuse to accept the election result and states, quote. We aren’t getting through this without a civil war, unquote.
On November 7, he said, We must now do what the people of Serbia did. When Milosevic stole the election. Refuse to accept it and march en masse on the nation’s capital. Also by November 9, he held a call outlining a plan to stop the lawful transfer of power. The organizing, the paramilitary training continued over the next few months. With Roades advocating for the use of force on the Oath Keepers website.
A Trumpster Jan 6 Paramilitary Plot
On Christmas day, six days after Trump’s “be in DC, it will be wild” tweet. Rhodes wrote, I think Congress will screw President Trump over. The only chance we have is if we scare the shit out of them and convince them. It will be torches and pitchforks time if they don’t do the right thing, but I don’t think they will listen. The planning continued and by January 5, they were in the DC area stocked with weapons. On the morning of January 6, they split into two so called stacks, one on each side. of the Capitol.
At around 2:12pm Rhodes entered the restrictive Capitol grounds. At 2:25, he instructed his co-conspirators come to South side of the Capitol and as the DOJ note at approximately 2:30pm Oath Keepers, and affiliates many were in paramilitary clothing and patches with the Oath Keepers name, logo and insignia marched in a stack formation up the steps of the Capitol. Joined the mob and made their way into the Capitol.
Then we all know what happened next. An insurrection ensued. Rhodes was arrested today it is currently an inmate in Collin County, Texas. The Oath Keepers are one of two major violent groups accused of orchestrating the insurrection. Along with the Proud Boys, you know. The group that Trump told to stand back and standby during the presidential debates. The January 6 Select Committee is investigating both of these groups, but Rhodes hasn’t decided yet whether he will testify.
This comes as the committee is continuing to investigate the online rhetoric that led to the insurrection. Today they subpoenaed four major social media companies. Alphabet aka Google. Meta, aka Facebook, Reddit and Twitter. Committee Chair Bennie Thompson said in a press release. Two key questions for the select committee are, how the spread of misinformation and violent extremism contributed to the violent attack on our democracy, and what steps if any social media companies took to prevent their platform from being breeding grounds for radicalizing people to violence?
Joining me now, former US counterterrorism and intelligence analyst Malcom Nance, whose new book. They Want to Kill Americans, the Militias, Terrorists and Deranged Ideology of the Trump insurgency is due out in July.
Joy Reid turns to Malcolm:
Malcolm. What stood out to me in reading through this indictment was the way that the leader of the pack was was referencing Milosevic. Look at what they had, I mean, this is just some of the weaponry and tactics and tactics that were discussed. On these group chats.
They brought shotguns in scopes, magazine sites, optics, AR platforms, rifles, firearms, night vision devices, a boat that could handle a Potomac. Crossing, they said we can have our team with the heavy weapons standing by quickly load them and ferried across the river. This was not a casual conspiracy. This was it sounds like an active military plan.
That was an active military plan, and believe me, I’ve been monitoring the internal communications of these groups since this time last year, well before the insurrection. When I wrote my last book on this, one of the things that I found very early on, was it wasn’t just the Oath Keepers that were planning to be seditious. If you’re going to find out further indictments, I’m certain the proud boys the Oath Keepers, and the 3% militias had multiple meetings about this.
They started and really started getting people ready in late October, early November, sending them to training schools, having them have 150 rounds of combat load ammunition on their weapons, getting their body armor together. What you saw on January 6 was the command cell of the Oath Keepers. There were many, many, many hundreds more Oath Keepers there. It’s a big organization. It’s just this was Stewart Rhode’s teams that he was bringing into the building.
If you recall that very night, we were on this very program. I said it’s quite possible that these people may have had capture and kill teams that were organized to go in there. Murder cells as another way that we call them and that they would be very well organized. This entire sedition was you know, the insurrection in itself was well organized. Because not only did they plan it, they also sent orders out to everyone and thousands of people came dressed like them.
Malcolm Nance on Joy Reid the Readout: Jan 6 Paramilitary
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